I'm thinking of audio recording this and releasing it in podcast form, or something.
Jack Johnstone Well Avatar was a pile of crap.Matt Adamson Out of interest, what makes you think that ?
Cameron Ellis yes out of interest?.. was it because their penis's wer covered by a bit of cloth?.. hmmm?
Jack Johnstone The effects and action were good, but the 3D was unnecessary. Everything else let it down, the acting, cliche plots, all that stuff. I was bored for pretty much the entire film.
Jack Johnstone oh and yeah because I just wanted to see blue alien penis.
Matt Adamson I thought the acting was good in it man and as it goes for atmosphere the films unparrelled.
Who didnt you like acting it it ?
Jack Johnstone Terminator guy was the same character again, Sigourney Weaver was a bit flat too. Can't really speak for the alien acting. Oh, and the army commander guy was annoying. I hated the lead character's backstory.
The whole redemption thing. Lame and overused. The whole thing was terribly predictable. Not one single plot twist.
Matt Adamson I can see why your saying that but if you compare if you watch both films there are differences. Sigourney Weaver i think did what she could with the role she had, i actually would of liked to see more of that charecter but i thought she was very natural in it, did what she could with what she had.
Storywise yes i agree with you its not entirely original but its an atmosphere soaked movie. I truly believe James Cameron once again has raised the bar with this movie.
Jack Johnstone The viewer really shouldn't have to compare one film to another just to make one seem better.
I guess the atmosphere of the film just wasn't for me. There was even a bloody training montage! It was a bit ridiculous in places for its amazing lack of originality.
Matt Adamson Is that not where people go wrong with films though ? too much comparing one film to another ? If you take Avatar as it is surely its a fantastic movie ?
Jack Johnstone It's Lost In Translation all over again. Everyone loves it = Jack hates it.
:P
Matt Adamson Your entitled to not like it, i wasnt that keen on Titanic but everyone raved on about it.
Ahh Lost In Translation, such an excellent movie.
Jack Johnstone get out. :P
Matt Adamson Goodbye to you sir ;)
Ben Herring So it's not worth seeing then? Oh and my mum hates Lost in Translation and I've never bothered to see it so it's not just you.
Jack Johnstone If you want some simple action with nice effects, go and see the 2D version. 3D was a waste.
Jack Johnstone English Language curse you!!
When the aliens shouted with cries of despair (in their own language), their cries started with the [n] phoneme.
When cheering, cries started with the [y] phoneme. It's such a surface level film it annoys me. They've blatantly not thought about anything.
David Wilson 3D was unnecessary? Maybe thats why you can go see it in 2D imax.
Sigourney Weaver was great!
Army Kernal dude was corny yes...but hey...
Can't say it was a pile of crap tbh...very well made film...really pulls you in...when a film is this good it becomes easy to pick out the bad bits.
Jack Johnstone I didn't like any of it, Dave. I was bored.
David Wilson ...fussy lol
Jack Johnstone It was just such a simple film. There was not one subplot.
The whole first half was omglookatthisspecialeffect and the plot stuff was lame and overused and and and I JUST HATE IT >:(
Ben Herring You know some films you should see if you haven't already? Watchmen, The Hurt Locker, District 9, Lost Highway (just some good movies that popped into my head)
Jack Johnstone District 9 is amazing, seen Watchmen too. I'll check out the others. Cheers.
Tom Moscrop I agree with jack tbh, as a film it's ok at best. works well as mindless action film, i won't complain about that but cameron used to be the most stylish film maker out there but this just seemed to be a turqoise firework show with recycled plotlines and no obvious character development. i can see why it's so popular though, very impressive visuals and some of the best action scenes i've ever seen, however, i feel cameron spent much too long on this movie and somewhere along the line just decided to go with a simple storyline in order to get his money back for all overpriced effects in the film. also did anyone notice how hypocritical it is to have a film demonising technology when it was made with the most high tech equipment around today? At the end of the day though if people enjoyed it then i guess cameron has done a good job somewhere. overall i'd give the film a 5 or 6 out of 10 for the visuals alone.
James Story well i may as well chuck in my 2 cents
Avatar is very good, whenever I hear about a film being a masterpiece or a classic or something on such a high pedestal, especially it being a new film, I very rarely get a true sense of why a film is seen like this while I'm actually watching it, perhaps I'm too young or simply desensitised to things but to be honest I don't hold Alien or The Godfather to an especially high standard based on how I actual felt watching the film, but now I'm blabbering on about a different matter entirely.
Back to Avatar, in terms of plot I'm fine with any cliches or conventions being used as long as it works in the film, and it all strings together into a neat little package in Avatar, but it did need something grander to connect with me on an emotional level.
Have to say a lot of the visuals are amazing. Even taking the 3D out of it (which I thought was a decent touch but not a huge draw for me, certainly not the reason for me actually going to see it) the sheer scale of the film is just on another level to what else is coming out.
And now the bad part, characters lack real depth and you can see their roles the moment you see them. (Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that the Government is.....the bad guy?)
That's the only bad thing I have to say really, because there really isn't really much wrong with the film. It's just with spectacular visuals should come spectacular storytelling and everything is just ....... good.
As far as a rating this film personifies 4/5 for me. (Quick plug for some apparently great films coming out as the tail end of 09/ start of '10, 'Precious', 'Up in the Air, 'The Road' and it's been out quite a while but I didn't see 'Milk' being brought up before.
Feel free to generate more podcast-worthy discussions any time Jack
Jack Johnstone Unobtainium.
[a long skype conversation between James Story and Jack Johnstone followed this comment]
Tom Moscrop tbh everyone who worked on that film designers, animators, developers have all done a fantastic job but it is Cameron himself that lets the picture down. it seems that he has gotten lazy in is old age deciding to go for simplicity in order to achieve the broadest range of appeal he possibly can. don't get me wrong, i have nothing against simplistic storylines but once a film is elevated in status such as Avatar was i become much more critical and demand that the film lives up to expectation and shows why it deserves such adoration, this is where my main problem lies with this film. Cameron said that Avatar was inspired by all of the sci-fi comic books and films he saw as a child and this clearly shows, every single cliche and steryotype is on display. there is literally no original ideas in the plot and creative structure of the film. it seems to be a beautiful frankenstein, composed of recycled portions of almost every science fiction works preceeding it. Ultimately resulting in a film that, as previously mentioned, looks incredible but has no emersive capabilities, it feels as though you are watching it, there is no feeling of inclusion. It seems today that most directors, once they get a big fat cheque, begin to slow down and start to go entirley blunt. Michal Bay proved this with his slow degredation from films such as armageddon to the recent Transformers: revenge of the fallen, a film which is, essentially, a boring zeitgeist of explosions and tits glued together with occasional images of the 90's favourite toy.
All in all These big budget films fail time and again to caputure any imagination but succeed in caputuring plenty of pennies for the fat lazy bastards who've forgotten why they wanted to be film directors in the first place. compare anyone of these afformentioned films to anything by Charlie Kaufman such as Being John Malcovich or Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind and you will realise the true artistry in building and developing, which great intricacy, characters and storylines that breathe and fluxuate and form a real indipendent life of their own. Compare the character of Joel Barish, played by Jim Carey in Eternal sunshine, to Cameron's Jake Sulley from Avatar. it is lieterally like compaing Mozart to N-dubz.
Anyway sorry for the rant. just fancied getting distracted from an essay. Btw this is not an indication to avoid Avatar. by all means go see it, draw your own conclusions, just don't get lost in the light show.